Comments on: Remember: You don’t have to show ID to police in New York State. http://justinholmes.com/2008/11/remember-you-dont-have-to-show-id-to-police-in-new-york-state/ Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:08:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Ian http://justinholmes.com/2008/11/remember-you-dont-have-to-show-id-to-police-in-new-york-state/comment-page-12/#comment-570 Ian Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:08:23 +0000 http://justinholmes.com/?p=188#comment-570 actually the port dickinson cops wasted their own time harassing a person because they were flat out bored and probably having existential questions about becoming a police officer and all the prestige that comes with it yet not feeling like they live up to it sitting around pulling over people going 31 in a 30mph zone all day. Basically they are border patrol keeping the binghamton and port dickinson division a line that you don't want to cross if you're up to no good (see end of video "you're not from here just get out") so they can go back to having a quiet little cove and feel important having the title of police while being nothing more than security at a classy gated community. actually the port dickinson cops wasted their own time harassing a person because they were flat out bored and probably having existential questions about becoming a police officer and all the prestige that comes with it yet not feeling like they live up to it sitting around pulling over people going 31 in a 30mph zone all day. Basically they are border patrol keeping the binghamton and port dickinson division a line that you don’t want to cross if you’re up to no good (see end of video “you’re not from here just get out”) so they can go back to having a quiet little cove and feel important having the title of police while being nothing more than security at a classy gated community.

]]> By: Jillian http://justinholmes.com/2008/11/remember-you-dont-have-to-show-id-to-police-in-new-york-state/comment-page-11/#comment-568 Jillian Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:43:41 +0000 http://justinholmes.com/?p=188#comment-568 I think you had a right to do what you did but at the same time they were extremely patient with you. And after a while you just start looking like an ass. I think you had a right to do what you did but at the same time they were extremely patient with you. And after a while you just start looking like an ass.

]]> By: Rick http://justinholmes.com/2008/11/remember-you-dont-have-to-show-id-to-police-in-new-york-state/comment-page-11/#comment-567 Rick Sat, 14 Aug 2010 07:09:04 +0000 http://justinholmes.com/?p=188#comment-567 Arianna is a complete retard... Arianna I bet your the type of person who says global warming doesn't exist and that the earth is only 6000yrs old. You're probably one of those people that bombs abortion clinics and hates all immigrants. It's people like you that allow our freedoms to be taken away! It's spineless fools like you that have allowed power-tripping cops like this to have egos so big that common sense no longer pertains to them. Well done Justin! It's breathtaking to see these utter fools send messages to you like "It would have been so much easier for you to just show your I.D."... IDIOTS! He broke NO LAWS! They had NO reason to stop him therefore he had no reason to show his I.D. Which means THAT COP wasted his time and OUR MONEY!! Things could have gone a lot smoother if officer chip on his shoulder would have recognized how out of place he was and simply moved along. His job is to spot and stop people BREAKING the law, NOT stopping people that he personally finds suspicious but yet they are doing nothing wrong. These cops were ALL completely out of line and if they're still behaving like this I hope someone takes them to court and gets their asses fired. Maybe teach the other power tripping cops a lesson about our civil rights... Bravo Justin! Arianna is a complete retard… Arianna I bet your the type of person who says global warming doesn’t exist and that the earth is only 6000yrs old. You’re probably one of those people that bombs abortion clinics and hates all immigrants. It’s people like you that allow our freedoms to be taken away!

It’s spineless fools like you that have allowed power-tripping cops like this to have egos so big that common sense no longer pertains to them. Well done Justin! It’s breathtaking to see these utter fools send messages to you like “It would have been so much easier for you to just show your I.D.”… IDIOTS! He broke NO LAWS! They had NO reason to stop him therefore he had no reason to show his I.D. Which means THAT COP wasted his time and OUR MONEY!! Things could have gone a lot smoother if officer chip on his shoulder would have recognized how out of place he was and simply moved along. His job is to spot and stop people BREAKING the law, NOT stopping people that he personally finds suspicious but yet they are doing nothing wrong. These cops were ALL completely out of line and if they’re still behaving like this I hope someone takes them to court and gets their asses fired. Maybe teach the other power tripping cops a lesson about our civil rights… Bravo Justin!

]]> By: Arianna http://justinholmes.com/2008/11/remember-you-dont-have-to-show-id-to-police-in-new-york-state/comment-page-11/#comment-565 Arianna Sun, 01 Aug 2010 09:23:37 +0000 http://justinholmes.com/?p=188#comment-565 Why are all of you guys telling him to file a lawsuit against the police? They did absolutely nothing wrong. He was rollerskating in the middle of the road at 1:00AM. That's not exactly normal. I would see that as suspicious too. Yes, he wasn't doing anything "wrong" per say, but the police have to watch out for anything out of the ordinary...and someone rollerblading at 1:00AM is not exactly something you see all of the time. Stop being a self-righteous asshole and just cooperate. You would've made everyone's night (including your own) a lot easier if you just showed them your ID. They would have probably let you go on your merry little way rollerskating to wherever the hell you were going that late. I'm all for standing up for my rights, but sometimes you just have to let the police do their job. Yes, I will admit that the female officer asking you who you were going to vote for was irrelevant and unnecessary, but the rest of what they were saying was completely valid and reasonable. Not to mention, throughout the whole thing you have this snobby attitude acting like you're better/smarter than they are. You keep saying you don't mean to be disrespectful, but the tone of your voice says otherwise. People like you create problems where no such problem exists and try to make it out to be some giant conspiracy-type issue. You're probably one of those people that sets trash cans on fire and breaks windows at the G20. You give cops a hard time just so you can look like the you have the upper-hand, when really, you're smartass remarks are going to have you put in jail one day. In my opinion, the cops weren't harsh enough on you. I'm extremely surprised that you weren't arrested or fined for not cooperating with them. People need to stop trying to sue for everything--especially when they're the ones at fault. Why are all of you guys telling him to file a lawsuit against the police? They did absolutely nothing wrong. He was rollerskating in the middle of the road at 1:00AM. That’s not exactly normal. I would see that as suspicious too. Yes, he wasn’t doing anything “wrong” per say, but the police have to watch out for anything out of the ordinary…and someone rollerblading at 1:00AM is not exactly something you see all of the time.

Stop being a self-righteous asshole and just cooperate. You would’ve made everyone’s night (including your own) a lot easier if you just showed them your ID. They would have probably let you go on your merry little way rollerskating to wherever the hell you were going that late.

I’m all for standing up for my rights, but sometimes you just have to let the police do their job. Yes, I will admit that the female officer asking you who you were going to vote for was irrelevant and unnecessary, but the rest of what they were saying was completely valid and reasonable.

Not to mention, throughout the whole thing you have this snobby attitude acting like you’re better/smarter than they are. You keep saying you don’t mean to be disrespectful, but the tone of your voice says otherwise.

People like you create problems where no such problem exists and try to make it out to be some giant conspiracy-type issue. You’re probably one of those people that sets trash cans on fire and breaks windows at the G20. You give cops a hard time just so you can look like the you have the upper-hand, when really, you’re smartass remarks are going to have you put in jail one day. In my opinion, the cops weren’t harsh enough on you. I’m extremely surprised that you weren’t arrested or fined for not cooperating with them.

People need to stop trying to sue for everything–especially when they’re the ones at fault.

]]> By: Don Corman http://justinholmes.com/2008/11/remember-you-dont-have-to-show-id-to-police-in-new-york-state/comment-page-11/#comment-560 Don Corman Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:14:21 +0000 http://justinholmes.com/?p=188#comment-560 I am not even a cop. If someone talked to me in the smug, condescending and confrontational way that you approached the conversation with this officer, I would have lost it in the first few minutes. Why these officers engaged in conversation with you, and why they remained so civil is beyond me. I would have cuffed you and stuffed you. These officers demonstrated coolness and level-headedness far beyond what would be expected from any human beings. It is obvious to anyone, except a punk, that you were trying to create conflict. P.S.: Skating on a road at night is dangerous and it is also ignorant. (And the unsuspecting driver who hits your ignorant ass is always blamed, even though you guys race through intersections and skate in travel lanes leaving us no possible way to avoid you except to hope that you saw us. And most of you morons wear dark clothing) Don't do it in my town or I will call the police. I am not even a cop. If someone talked to me in the smug, condescending and confrontational way that you approached the conversation with this officer, I would have lost it in the first few minutes. Why these officers engaged in conversation with you, and why they remained so civil is beyond me. I would have cuffed you and stuffed you. These officers demonstrated coolness and level-headedness far beyond what would be expected from any human beings. It is obvious to anyone, except a punk, that you were trying to create conflict. P.S.: Skating on a road at night is dangerous and it is also ignorant. (And the unsuspecting driver who hits your ignorant ass is always blamed, even though you guys race through intersections and skate in travel lanes leaving us no possible way to avoid you except to hope that you saw us. And most of you morons wear dark clothing) Don’t do it in my town or I will call the police.

]]> By: Anna http://justinholmes.com/2008/11/remember-you-dont-have-to-show-id-to-police-in-new-york-state/comment-page-11/#comment-548 Anna Sat, 10 Jul 2010 02:39:23 +0000 http://justinholmes.com/?p=188#comment-548 You were doing great! What assholes! Didn't you want to make a complaint? You were doing great! What assholes!
Didn’t you want to make a complaint?

]]> By: brian http://justinholmes.com/2008/11/remember-you-dont-have-to-show-id-to-police-in-new-york-state/comment-page-11/#comment-514 brian Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:27:31 +0000 http://justinholmes.com/?p=188#comment-514 Justin Holmes, you are a role model for me. To successfully stand up to a police stop this way took great presence of mind and guts. Documenting it on this video does a lot to help educate and give hope to other Americans that we can still exercise our natural right to be free of arbitrary search and stand up to questioning. However! You got lucky here, due to the relatively relaxed policies of the local police department. The cop stopped you on a reasonable suspicion based on the mystery noise he thought he heard. At that point he could have frisked you and found the weed. In NY State that weed possession is only a ticket but it does allow him to demand positive ID to check you for warrants and ensure you are properly ticketed. I think these small town cops were being more moderate and less authoritarian than what you would see in New York City, where I live. Here, saying "No" to a police request for ID will get you thoroughly frisked for sure. Then you may have the grounds for a lawsuit but then again depending on what you have on you, you may be heading for jail. Carrying ID and showing it on request is more likely to keep you from being charged, if in fact you are carrying contraband. Justin Holmes, you are a role model for me. To successfully stand up to a police stop this way took great presence of mind and guts. Documenting it on this video does a lot to help educate and give hope to other Americans that we can still exercise our natural right to be free of arbitrary search and stand up to questioning.
However! You got lucky here, due to the relatively relaxed policies of the local police department. The cop stopped you on a reasonable suspicion based on the mystery noise he thought he heard. At that point he could have frisked you and found the weed. In NY State that weed possession is only a ticket but it does allow him to demand positive ID to check you for warrants and ensure you are properly ticketed.
I think these small town cops were being more moderate and less authoritarian than what you would see in New York City, where I live. Here, saying “No” to a police request for ID will get you thoroughly frisked for sure. Then you may have the grounds for a lawsuit but then again depending on what you have on you, you may be heading for jail. Carrying ID and showing it on request is more likely to keep you from being charged, if in fact you are carrying contraband.

]]> By: Justin http://justinholmes.com/2008/11/remember-you-dont-have-to-show-id-to-police-in-new-york-state/comment-page-11/#comment-505 Justin Wed, 09 Jun 2010 20:56:55 +0000 http://justinholmes.com/?p=188#comment-505 .....who? Billy? haha... If it is you, email me at justin@justinholmes.com and we'll talk. I assure you: I do not take freedom, liberty, the constitution, or any of "my causes," as you put it, lightly. …..who? Billy? haha… If it is you, email me at justin@justinholmes.com and we’ll talk.

I assure you: I do not take freedom, liberty, the constitution, or any of “my causes,” as you put it, lightly.

]]> By: An Old Friend http://justinholmes.com/2008/11/remember-you-dont-have-to-show-id-to-police-in-new-york-state/comment-page-11/#comment-504 An Old Friend Wed, 09 Jun 2010 19:27:35 +0000 http://justinholmes.com/?p=188#comment-504 What happened to you Justin...? You throw the constitution around and words like freedom so loosely because you have no idea what they cost. I often wonder what would have happened if we never moved away. I love you little brother and always will even if we were only best friends up til 5th grade but it breaks my heart to see what you've become. It's sad to see how much support you are getting from people. Yeah there's lots you can blame the government for but Justin he just wanted to see your ID. You wanted to show that your intelligent and that you have rights. What I see in that video is a kid who's full or pride and arrogance.I see the same thing I always saw and that's a kid who is wicked smart and never knew how to apply it correctly. But Justin please stop talking about freedom and the constitution as if you had a clue as to what it cost to keep those freedoms or to have penned that document. You make posters and you give speeches but you don't put your butt on the line. You're not as much a freedom fighter as you think friend. I don't care about these people or these comments or your "causes" but I do care about you dude and the officer was right...you're on a bad path man and you gotta get off it. See ya bud. What happened to you Justin…? You throw the constitution around and words like freedom so loosely because you have no idea what they cost. I often wonder what would have happened if we never moved away. I love you little brother and always will even if we were only best friends up til 5th grade but it breaks my heart to see what you’ve become. It’s sad to see how much support you are getting from people. Yeah there’s lots you can blame the government for but Justin he just wanted to see your ID. You wanted to show that your intelligent and that you have rights. What I see in that video is a kid who’s full or pride and arrogance.I see the same thing I always saw and that’s a kid who is wicked smart and never knew how to apply it correctly. But Justin please stop talking about freedom and the constitution as if you had a clue as to what it cost to keep those freedoms or to have penned that document. You make posters and you give speeches but you don’t put your butt on the line. You’re not as much a freedom fighter as you think friend. I don’t care about these people or these comments or your “causes” but I do care about you dude and the officer was right…you’re on a bad path man and you gotta get off it. See ya bud.

]]> By: Scott http://justinholmes.com/2008/11/remember-you-dont-have-to-show-id-to-police-in-new-york-state/comment-page-11/#comment-503 Scott Wed, 09 Jun 2010 03:29:14 +0000 http://justinholmes.com/?p=188#comment-503 You Rock Justin! I feel for the cops but that is our rights and you did a good job of supporting our rights. Bravo! You Rock Justin! I feel for the cops but that is our rights and you did a good job of supporting our rights. Bravo!

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